. >> in your religion is premarital sex allowed? >> no. >> did travis claim to be a virgin? >> yes, he did. >> did he seem happy to be a virgin? >> yes. >> and did he seem proud? >> yes. >> travis alexander, there's no question he was conflicted. he was trying to be a good mormon and probably was, except when it came to jodi arias she would have sex with him. and they kept it a secret. but if this got out, it would hurt his standing in his church, in his social circle, it might have hurt him professionally. >> reporter: jodi was, in the words of her defense attorney, travis's dirty little secret, something he vividly demonstrated in this lurid phone call. >> you, you were hot. start touching yourself. >> when you hear this call, it's crucial to understand the difference. the difference between the type of person that travis portrayed himself to be versus the things that he said on this recorded call. >> that was so hot. that actually, so -- like the way you moan sounds like -- sounds like a 12-year-old girl having her first orgasm. it's so hot. >> reporter: jodi's attorneys